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{{Infobox knot
{{Infobox knot
| image = File: Fig8.jpg
| image = File: Fig8.jpg
| image_alt = Figure-eight loop
| other_names = Figure 8, eight
| other_names = Figure 8, eight
| pros = Reliable, easy to inspect, low decrease of the rope strength
| pros = Reliable, easy to inspect, low decrease of the rope strength
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This method is the most commonly used method for tying-in onto a rope end.
This method is the most commonly used method for tying-in onto a rope end.


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|File: fig8_step1.png
|File: fig8_step1.png
|90px
|90px
|Take a bight of a rope and turn its one end around the other, making a full 360° turn (1)
|Take a bight of a rope and turn its one end around the other, making a full 360° turn (1)
|rope bight with one end twisted around the other
|File: fig8_step2.png
|File: fig8_step2.png
|90px
|90px
|Pull the rope through the upper eye (2), creating a figure-eight knot
|Pull the rope through the upper eye (2), creating a figure-eight knot
|twisted rope bight with an arrow pointing through the top loop
|File: fig8_step3.png
|File: fig8_step3.png
|180px
|180px
|Pull the rope through both eyes of a harness next to the belay loop (3)
|Pull the rope through both eyes of a harness next to the belay loop (3)
|figure-eight knot with an arrow from the rope end through the harness eyes
|File: fig8_step4.png
|File: fig8_step4.png
|180px
|180px
|Continue by following-through... (4)
|Continue by following-through... (4)
|rope with figure-eight knot, one rope end is pulled through harness and being directed to follow the knot through
|File: fig8_step5.png
|File: fig8_step5.png
|180px
|180px
|... the original figure-eight (5)...
|... the original figure-eight (5)...
|rope with figure-eight knot, one rope end is pulled through harness and being directed to follow the knot through
|File: fig8_step6.png
|File: fig8_step6.png
|180px
|180px
|... knot (6)
|... knot (6)
|rope with figure-eight knot, one rope end is pulled through harness and being directed to follow the knot through
|File: fig8_step7to10.png|180px
|File: fig8_step7to10.png|180px
|Tighten the rope ends one at a time (7,8,9,10)
|Tighten the rope ends one at a time (7,8,9,10)
|loose figure eight tied on a harness, arrows pointing out from the knot
|File: fig8_step11.png
|File: fig8_step11.png
|180px
|180px
|Inspect the knot and check if the loop is threaded through the harness correctly (11)
|Inspect the knot and check if the loop is threaded through the harness correctly (11)
|tightened figure eight on a harness, eye icon
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=== On a bight (tie in in a middle) ===
=== On a bight (tie in in a middle) ===
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|File: fig8_mid_step1.png
|File: fig8_mid_step1.png
|Take a bight of a rope and do a bend (1)
|Take a bight of a rope and do a bend (1)
|rope bight with an arrow
|File: fig8_mid_step2.png
|File: fig8_mid_step2.png
|Make a full 360° turn of the bend around the rope strands (2)
|Make a full 360° turn of the bend around the rope strands (2)
|bent rope bight with an arrow around the bight
|File: fig8_mid_step3.png
|File: fig8_mid_step3.png
|Pull the bight through the loop made by the turn (3)
|Pull the bight through the loop made by the turn (3)
|bent rope bight tangled around the rope strands with arrow pointing through a loop
|File: fig8_mid_step4.png
|File: fig8_mid_step4.png
|Slightly tighten the knot (4)
|Slightly tighten the knot (4)
|Very loose figure eight
|File: fig8_mid_step5.png
|File: fig8_mid_step5.png
|If the knot is malformed, dress it for easier inspection  (5)
|If the knot is malformed, dress it for easier inspection  (5)
|figure eight
|File: fig8_mid_step6.png
|File: fig8_mid_step6.png
|Inspect the knot (6)
|Inspect the knot (6)
|dressed figure eight with an eye icon
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In some cases, Figure 8 tends to get hard to untie. To prevent this issues, always dress the knot and tie its form where the load strand goes in a bigger diameter around the center of the knot, as illustrated below. This variant also has a slightly higher loading limit according to some sources (10% difference, both variants are completely safe).<ref>{{cite web | url=https://www.lezec.cz/clanek.php?key=841 | archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20240226094325/https://www.lezec.cz/clanek.php?key=841 | archive-date=26 February 2024 | url-status=live | title=Metodické ústřižky III. | publisher=EnergyCloud Trade, s.r.o. | first1=''John'' Jiří | last1=Žižka | first2=''Bolek'' Karel | last2=Kříž | date=16 September 2002 | website=lezec.cz | access-date=16 August 2025}}</ref> The issue of figure 8 getting stuck was well studied and documented/illustrated by Hard is Easy.<ref>{{Cite AV media | people= Hard is easy | date=29 August 2020 | title=Why Figure 8 knot is NOT hard to untie! | url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAr-uHd8h8o | publisher=Hard is Easy | access-date=16 August 2025}}</ref> If the figure 8 is not dressed and tightened properly before loading it, it tends to malform substantially after taking a fall. Malformation leads to a knot state in which the figure 8 is hard and sometimes even almost impossible to untie. Rope parameters (diameter, stiffness) also play a role. Last very important parameter discovered was if the load strand goes on the top of the knot, or in the middle of it.
In some cases, Figure 8 tends to get hard to untie. To prevent this issues, always dress the knot and tie its form where the load strand goes in a bigger diameter around the center of the knot, as illustrated below. This variant also has a slightly higher loading limit according to some sources (10% difference, both variants are completely safe).<ref>{{cite web | url=https://www.lezec.cz/clanek.php?key=841 | archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20240226094325/https://www.lezec.cz/clanek.php?key=841 | archive-date=26 February 2024 | url-status=live | title=Metodické ústřižky III. | publisher=EnergyCloud Trade, s.r.o. | first1=''John'' Jiří | last1=Žižka | first2=''Bolek'' Karel | last2=Kříž | date=16 September 2002 | website=lezec.cz | access-date=16 August 2025}}</ref> The issue of figure 8 getting stuck was well studied and documented/illustrated by Hard is Easy.<ref>{{Cite AV media | people= Hard is easy | date=29 August 2020 | title=Why Figure 8 knot is NOT hard to untie! | url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAr-uHd8h8o | publisher=Hard is Easy | access-date=16 August 2025}}</ref> If the figure 8 is not dressed and tightened properly before loading it, it tends to malform substantially after taking a fall. Malformation leads to a knot state in which the figure 8 is hard and sometimes even almost impossible to untie. Rope parameters (diameter, stiffness) also play a role. Last very important parameter discovered was if the load strand goes on the top of the knot, or in the middle of it.


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|File: fig8_tighten.png
|File: fig8_tighten.png
|By properly pre-tightening the knot before loading, you minimize the chance of getting it stuck
|By properly pre-tightening the knot before loading, you minimize the chance of getting it stuck
|hand on a figure eight knot, arrows pointing in direction the rope leaves the knot
|File: fig8_goodstrand.png
|File: fig8_goodstrand.png
|Allegedly slightly stronger variant. It is easier to untie after a fall
|Allegedly slightly stronger variant. It is easier to untie after a fall
|figure eight with one strand highlighted
|File: fig8_uglystrand.png
|File: fig8_uglystrand.png
|This variant is more prone to get stuck after big lead falls
|This variant is more prone to get stuck after big lead falls
|figure eight with other strand highlighted, warning symbol
}}
}}


== Rolling ==
== Rolling ==
[[File:fig8_roller.png|200px|thumb|left|When the ropes coming from the figure&nbsp;8 are pulled in the opposite directions, the knot might capsize and roll over itself]]
[[File:fig8_roller.png|200px|thumb|left|When the ropes coming from the figure&nbsp;8 are pulled in the opposite directions, the knot might capsize and roll over itself|alt=figure eight bent with a warning symbol and arrows illustrating capsizing direction]]
The Figure 8 bend knot can capsize and roll over itself already around 3 kN of force (then it snaps). For that reason it is not an ideal knot for tying two ropes together.<ref name=Edelrid2023>{{cite web | url=https://edelrid.com/eu-en/knowledge/knowledge-base/knots-for-connecting-ropes-when-rappelling-comparison | title=Knots for connecting ropes when rappelling - a comparison | publisher=EDELRID GmbH & Co. KG | first1=Florian |last1=Hellberg | date=14 August 2023 | website=edelrid | access-date=16 August 2025}}</ref> There are speculations that the usage of Figure 8 bend knot during rapelling is the reason why the overhand-bend knot is known as an European Death knot in US.<ref>{{cite web | url=https://user.xmission.com/~tmoyer/testing/EDK.html | archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250729104327/https://user.xmission.com/~tmoyer/testing/EDK.html | archive-date=29 July 2025 | url-status=live | title=Pull Tests of the "Euro Death-Knot" | first1=Thomas | last1=Moyer | date=11 September 1999 | website=xmission.com | access-date=16 August 2025}}</ref>
The Figure 8 bend knot can capsize and roll over itself already around 3 kN of force (then it snaps). For that reason it is not an ideal knot for tying two ropes together.<ref name=Edelrid2023>{{cite web | url=https://edelrid.com/eu-en/knowledge/knowledge-base/knots-for-connecting-ropes-when-rappelling-comparison | title=Knots for connecting ropes when rappelling - a comparison | publisher=EDELRID GmbH & Co. KG | first1=Florian |last1=Hellberg | date=14 August 2023 | website=edelrid | access-date=16 August 2025}}</ref> There are speculations that the usage of Figure 8 bend knot during rapelling is the reason why the overhand-bend knot is known as an European Death knot in US.<ref>{{cite web | url=https://user.xmission.com/~tmoyer/testing/EDK.html | archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250729104327/https://user.xmission.com/~tmoyer/testing/EDK.html | archive-date=29 July 2025 | url-status=live | title=Pull Tests of the "Euro Death-Knot" | first1=Thomas | last1=Moyer | date=11 September 1999 | website=xmission.com | access-date=16 August 2025}}</ref>